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date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:04:52 -0800,    group: microsoft.public.word.formatting.longdocs        back       


WinWord 2003 looses images   
Hi there,
I have a document with ~100 pages, 60 graphics, and I start loosing images. 
Instead of the image a clear square of 1" is displayed.

Is there a way to recover the images?  How do I proceed in the future?

Thanks for any help,
Thorsten
date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:04:52 -0800   author:   Thorsten Claus

RE: WinWord 2003 looses images   
A little more info would be useful.  Where did you get this document?  Did 
you create it, import it from another word processing program, or download it 
from the Internet? 

"Thorsten Claus" wrote:

> Hi there,
> I have a document with ~100 pages, 60 graphics, and I start loosing images. 
> Instead of the image a clear square of 1" is displayed.
> 
> Is there a way to recover the images?  How do I proceed in the future?
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> Thorsten 
> 
> 
>
date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:24:01 -0800   author:   Idaho Word Man

Re: WinWord 2003 looses images   
When a document contains a lot of graphics and processing power is limited,
Word will automatically enable picture placeholders (Tools | Options |
View). You can disable this, but don't be surprised if it gets turned on
again.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Thorsten Claus"  wrote in message
news:O%23iD7UOVGHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi there,
> I have a document with ~100 pages, 60 graphics, and I start loosing
images.
> Instead of the image a clear square of 1" is displayed.
>
> Is there a way to recover the images?  How do I proceed in the future?
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Thorsten
>
>
date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:05:38 -0600   author:   Suzanne S. Barnhill

Re: WinWord 2003 looses images   
unfortunately this is not the case.  I checked this box, too, and I also 
checked the Print View, the original pictures are gone, but 1 inch square 
boxes are instead displayed.

I created the document myself, current size is  about 20 MB.

I inserted the pictures with Paste Special -> Bitmap and reduced all the 
bitmaps over the compress command for 200 DPI.  I can paste and copy from 
previous versions of my document, but during further editing, the pictures 
will vanish again.

When I open the document and try to select one of these 1 inch boxes, an 
error messages says "not enough memory", though my page file is only 600MB 
(maximum 2GB), and no other applications are open, closed all background 
stuff like Skype, X1, Outlook, ...)  I've got a Centrino 1.66 with 1GB ram, 
seems to be too little...


"Suzanne S. Barnhill"  wrote in message 
news:u5Iqn5OVGHA.5760@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> When a document contains a lot of graphics and processing power is 
> limited,
> Word will automatically enable picture placeholders (Tools | Options |
> View). You can disable this, but don't be surprised if it gets turned on
> again.
>
> -- 
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup 
> so
> all may benefit.
>
> "Thorsten Claus"  wrote in message
> news:O%23iD7UOVGHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Hi there,
>> I have a document with ~100 pages, 60 graphics, and I start loosing
> images.
>> Instead of the image a clear square of 1" is displayed.
>>
>> Is there a way to recover the images?  How do I proceed in the future?
>>
>> Thanks for any help,
>> Thorsten
>>
>>
>
date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:13:08 -0800   author:   Thorsten Claus

Re: WinWord 2003 looses images   
There's something weird going on here because I created a document with at
least 100 large photographs (linked, not embedded) on a system with
considerably less muscle than you have, without the issues you're
experiencing. One advantage to linking the graphics (when possible) is that
they're not entirely gone even if they go astray.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Thorsten Claus"  wrote in message
news:%23%23nN1cPVGHA.1304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> unfortunately this is not the case.  I checked this box, too, and I also
> checked the Print View, the original pictures are gone, but 1 inch square
> boxes are instead displayed.
>
> I created the document myself, current size is  about 20 MB.
>
> I inserted the pictures with Paste Special -> Bitmap and reduced all the
> bitmaps over the compress command for 200 DPI.  I can paste and copy from
> previous versions of my document, but during further editing, the pictures
> will vanish again.
>
> When I open the document and try to select one of these 1 inch boxes, an
> error messages says "not enough memory", though my page file is only 600MB
> (maximum 2GB), and no other applications are open, closed all background
> stuff like Skype, X1, Outlook, ...)  I've got a Centrino 1.66 with 1GB
ram,
> seems to be too little...
>
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill"  wrote in message
> news:u5Iqn5OVGHA.5760@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > When a document contains a lot of graphics and processing power is
> > limited,
> > Word will automatically enable picture placeholders (Tools | Options |
> > View). You can disable this, but don't be surprised if it gets turned on
> > again.
> >
> > -- 
> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > Words into Type
> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
> > so
> > all may benefit.
> >
> > "Thorsten Claus"  wrote in message
> > news:O%23iD7UOVGHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> Hi there,
> >> I have a document with ~100 pages, 60 graphics, and I start loosing
> > images.
> >> Instead of the image a clear square of 1" is displayed.
> >>
> >> Is there a way to recover the images?  How do I proceed in the future?
> >>
> >> Thanks for any help,
> >> Thorsten
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:28:46 -0600   author:   Suzanne S. Barnhill

Re: WinWord 2003 looses images   
Hi Thorsten:

Yeah, Centrinos were build for battery life, not power. :-)

I suspect that it's "Graphics Memory" that you have run out of.  If you
weren't on a laptop, I would advise you to switch the graphics card for one
with a lot more memory.

A 200 dpi bitmap for a full page graphic will expand in memory to 4 colours
x 8 bits x (200 x 8.5) x (200 x 11). That's 119,680,000 bits: nearly 15
megabytes per picture.  You now begin to see where you're running out of
memory?  :-)

Try this:  Get those images and size them to the size you want to print them
at.  THEN save them to your hard disk in PNG format.  Now insert those in
the document.  PNG is one of Word's native graphics formats: it doesn't need
to expand them so much when it displays them.

But I think your real problem is that you shouldn't be attempting this on a
Centrino laptop: they haven't got the grunt for it :-)

Cheers


On 1/4/06 5:13 AM, in article ##nN1cPVGHA.1304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
"Thorsten Claus"  wrote:

> unfortunately this is not the case.  I checked this box, too, and I also
> checked the Print View, the original pictures are gone, but 1 inch square
> boxes are instead displayed.
> 
> I created the document myself, current size is  about 20 MB.
> 
> I inserted the pictures with Paste Special -> Bitmap and reduced all the
> bitmaps over the compress command for 200 DPI.  I can paste and copy from
> previous versions of my document, but during further editing, the pictures
> will vanish again.
> 
> When I open the document and try to select one of these 1 inch boxes, an
> error messages says "not enough memory", though my page file is only 600MB
> (maximum 2GB), and no other applications are open, closed all background
> stuff like Skype, X1, Outlook, ...)  I've got a Centrino 1.66 with 1GB ram,
> seems to be too little...
> 
> 
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill"  wrote in message
> news:u5Iqn5OVGHA.5760@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> When a document contains a lot of graphics and processing power is
>> limited,
>> Word will automatically enable picture placeholders (Tools | Options |
>> View). You can disable this, but don't be surprised if it gets turned on
>> again.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
>> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
>> so
>> all may benefit.
>> 
>> "Thorsten Claus"  wrote in message
>> news:O%23iD7UOVGHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi there,
>>> I have a document with ~100 pages, 60 graphics, and I start loosing
>> images.
>>> Instead of the image a clear square of 1" is displayed.
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to recover the images?  How do I proceed in the future?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help,
>>> Thorsten
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 

-- 

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.  Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie 
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh.  Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:46:16 +1000   author:   John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

Re: WinWord 2003 looses images   
I have the same problem (2 docs, about 100 pages/40 gigs each, 1-2 pics per 
page with text)... Tried it on a few PC's, over 2GHz and over 2GB or RAM, 
same error.

But how come the error comes up, even though I have several extra 100's of 
MB's of RAM free, and a few gigs of pagefile and free hd space? Just doesn't 
make sense. And computer isn't lagging while working with the files.

And this happened only recently. Previously when working with those and 
similar in size/type files I always used the "compress pictures" feature and 
everything worked perfectly flawless. This started a few days ago, coinciding 
with the time when I installed several Office updates through Microsoft 
Update, so I suspect that's the true cause of the problem.

---------------Serge




"John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote:

> Hi Thorsten:
> 
> Yeah, Centrinos were build for battery life, not power. :-)
> 
> I suspect that it's "Graphics Memory" that you have run out of.  If you
> weren't on a laptop, I would advise you to switch the graphics card for one
> with a lot more memory.
> 
> A 200 dpi bitmap for a full page graphic will expand in memory to 4 colours
> x 8 bits x (200 x 8.5) x (200 x 11). That's 119,680,000 bits: nearly 15
> megabytes per picture.  You now begin to see where you're running out of
> memory?  :-)
> 
> Try this:  Get those images and size them to the size you want to print them
> at.  THEN save them to your hard disk in PNG format.  Now insert those in
> the document.  PNG is one of Word's native graphics formats: it doesn't need
> to expand them so much when it displays them.
> 
> But I think your real problem is that you shouldn't be attempting this on a
> Centrino laptop: they haven't got the grunt for it :-)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> On 1/4/06 5:13 AM, in article ##nN1cPVGHA.1304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
> "Thorsten Claus"  wrote:
> 
> > unfortunately this is not the case.  I checked this box, too, and I also
> > checked the Print View, the original pictures are gone, but 1 inch square
> > boxes are instead displayed.
> > 
> > I created the document myself, current size is  about 20 MB.
> > 
> > I inserted the pictures with Paste Special -> Bitmap and reduced all the
> > bitmaps over the compress command for 200 DPI.  I can paste and copy from
> > previous versions of my document, but during further editing, the pictures
> > will vanish again.
> > 
> > When I open the document and try to select one of these 1 inch boxes, an
> > error messages says "not enough memory", though my page file is only 600MB
> > (maximum 2GB), and no other applications are open, closed all background
> > stuff like Skype, X1, Outlook, ...)  I've got a Centrino 1.66 with 1GB ram,
> > seems to be too little...
> > 
> > 
> > "Suzanne S. Barnhill"  wrote in message
> > news:u5Iqn5OVGHA.5760@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> When a document contains a lot of graphics and processing power is
> >> limited,
> >> Word will automatically enable picture placeholders (Tools | Options |
> >> View). You can disable this, but don't be surprised if it gets turned on
> >> again.
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> Words into Type
> >> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> >> Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> >> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
> >> so
> >> all may benefit.
> >> 
> >> "Thorsten Claus"  wrote in message
> >> news:O%23iD7UOVGHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >>> Hi there,
> >>> I have a document with ~100 pages, 60 graphics, and I start loosing
> >> images.
> >>> Instead of the image a clear square of 1" is displayed.
> >>> 
> >>> Is there a way to recover the images?  How do I proceed in the future?
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks for any help,
> >>> Thorsten
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.  Please do not email
> me unless I ask you to.
> 
> John McGhie 
> Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh.  Consultant Technical Writer
> Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
> 
>
date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:01:02 -0700   author:   Prikolist

Re: WinWord 2003 looses images   
*I meant 40 megs each

"Prikolist" wrote:

> I have the same problem (2 docs, about 100 pages/40 gigs each, 1-2 pics per 
> page with text)... Tried it on a few PC's, over 2GHz and over 2GB or RAM, 
> same error.
> 
> But how come the error comes up, even though I have several extra 100's of 
> MB's of RAM free, and a few gigs of pagefile and free hd space? Just doesn't 
> make sense. And computer isn't lagging while working with the files.
> 
> And this happened only recently. Previously when working with those and 
> similar in size/type files I always used the "compress pictures" feature and 
> everything worked perfectly flawless. This started a few days ago, coinciding 
> with the time when I installed several Office updates through Microsoft 
> Update, so I suspect that's the true cause of the problem.
> 
> ---------------Serge
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote:
> 
> > Hi Thorsten:
> > 
> > Yeah, Centrinos were build for battery life, not power. :-)
> > 
> > I suspect that it's "Graphics Memory" that you have run out of.  If you
> > weren't on a laptop, I would advise you to switch the graphics card for one
> > with a lot more memory.
> > 
> > A 200 dpi bitmap for a full page graphic will expand in memory to 4 colours
> > x 8 bits x (200 x 8.5) x (200 x 11). That's 119,680,000 bits: nearly 15
> > megabytes per picture.  You now begin to see where you're running out of
> > memory?  :-)
> > 
> > Try this:  Get those images and size them to the size you want to print them
> > at.  THEN save them to your hard disk in PNG format.  Now insert those in
> > the document.  PNG is one of Word's native graphics formats: it doesn't need
> > to expand them so much when it displays them.
> > 
> > But I think your real problem is that you shouldn't be attempting this on a
> > Centrino laptop: they haven't got the grunt for it :-)
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > 
> > On 1/4/06 5:13 AM, in article ##nN1cPVGHA.1304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
> > "Thorsten Claus"  wrote:
> > 
> > > unfortunately this is not the case.  I checked this box, too, and I also
> > > checked the Print View, the original pictures are gone, but 1 inch square
> > > boxes are instead displayed.
> > > 
> > > I created the document myself, current size is  about 20 MB.
> > > 
> > > I inserted the pictures with Paste Special -> Bitmap and reduced all the
> > > bitmaps over the compress command for 200 DPI.  I can paste and copy from
> > > previous versions of my document, but during further editing, the pictures
> > > will vanish again.
> > > 
> > > When I open the document and try to select one of these 1 inch boxes, an
> > > error messages says "not enough memory", though my page file is only 600MB
> > > (maximum 2GB), and no other applications are open, closed all background
> > > stuff like Skype, X1, Outlook, ...)  I've got a Centrino 1.66 with 1GB ram,
> > > seems to be too little...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Suzanne S. Barnhill"  wrote in message
> > > news:u5Iqn5OVGHA.5760@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > >> When a document contains a lot of graphics and processing power is
> > >> limited,
> > >> Word will automatically enable picture placeholders (Tools | Options |
> > >> View). You can disable this, but don't be surprised if it gets turned on
> > >> again.
> > >> 
> > >> -- 
> > >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > >> Words into Type
> > >> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > >> Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> > >> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
> > >> so
> > >> all may benefit.
> > >> 
> > >> "Thorsten Claus"  wrote in message
> > >> news:O%23iD7UOVGHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > >>> Hi there,
> > >>> I have a document with ~100 pages, 60 graphics, and I start loosing
> > >> images.
> > >>> Instead of the image a clear square of 1" is displayed.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Is there a way to recover the images?  How do I proceed in the future?
> > >>> 
> > >>> Thanks for any help,
> > >>> Thorsten
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >> 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.  Please do not email
> > me unless I ask you to.
> > 
> > John McGhie 
> > Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh.  Consultant Technical Writer
> > Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
> > 
> >
date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:04:01 -0700   author:   Prikolist

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