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Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing Obje
I have a lot of PowerPoint 2007 slides, and I frequently need to copy some
graphics I did into Word 2007. I select the group of shapes or objects I need
to copy to Word and cpaste them on my Word 2007 Page. Unfortunately, the
object get pasted as "Microsoft Office Graphic Object" that have a very poor
quality and cannot longer be edited in Word as a native drowing object. Under
Paste Special, in the AS: box, the "Microsoft Office Drawing Object" format
is no longer available. This makes Copy and Paste from PowerPoint 2007 to
Word 2007 totaly useless if you need quality and "editability". The only way
is to paste the whole slide as "Microsoft Office PowerPoint Slide Object",
but this is a very bad workaround, because I ususally need just a part of the
slide. Under Office 2003, everything was working like a charm!
The craziest thing is that it works when pasting Word 2007 objects in
Powerpoint 2007!!! If you create a text box in Word 2007 and copy/paste it in
Powerpoint 2007, the obect remains a text box in Powerpoint! But in 99% of
the cases, you need that in the other direction: from PowerPoint to Word. Why
did Microsoft removed this essential interoperability feature???? Or am I
missing something???
date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:56:01 -0700
author: Jacques
Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing Obje
Hi Jacques,
The MS Office Art graphics engine (aka Escher 2) is new to MS Office 2007 and while fully implemented in Excel and Powerpoint is
only partially implemented in Word 2007 for backwards compatibility with the MS Office Drawing/Graphics engine (aka Escher) still
available in Word
MS Office Graphic objects are Escher2,
MS Office Drawing Objects are the older Escher.
You can use Insert=>Object to embed a PPTX file into the Word document to be able to edit it via Powerpoint.
Shapes from Word 2007 can be pasted into and worked on in Powerpoint 2007
===========
<<"Jacques" wrote in message news:BA7F9CAC-0F8F-41A1-B7B8-18065726A93A@microsoft.com...
I have a lot of PowerPoint 2007 slides, and I frequently need to copy some
graphics I did into Word 2007. I select the group of shapes or objects I need
to copy to Word and cpaste them on my Word 2007 Page. Unfortunately, the
object get pasted as "Microsoft Office Graphic Object" that have a very poor
quality and cannot longer be edited in Word as a native drowing object. Under
Paste Special, in the AS: box, the "Microsoft Office Drawing Object" format
is no longer available. This makes Copy and Paste from PowerPoint 2007 to
Word 2007 totaly useless if you need quality and "editability". The only way
is to paste the whole slide as "Microsoft Office PowerPoint Slide Object",
but this is a very bad workaround, because I ususally need just a part of the
slide. Under Office 2003, everything was working like a charm!
The craziest thing is that it works when pasting Word 2007 objects in
Powerpoint 2007!!! If you create a text box in Word 2007 and copy/paste it in
Powerpoint 2007, the obect remains a text box in Powerpoint! But in 99% of
the cases, you need that in the other direction: from PowerPoint to Word. Why
did Microsoft removed this essential interoperability feature???? Or am I
missing something??? >>
--
Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP
*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:01:28 -0700
author: Bob Buckland ?:-\) 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com
Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing
Hi Bob
Thanks for your answer, that's also what I found in the mean time: But to
me, it is just scandalous, because this is a feature we used every day in
Office 2003 and before, worked well, and is no longer there in Office 2007...
And we just need it! Inserting a whole pptx file object is really not a
workaround... Why does Popowerpont send the shape as "graphic object", and
not "drawing object" in the clipboard??? PowerPoint can work with both
format, so this would be a good solution for the interoperability with
word....
So once again, I'm very disappointed and quite angry... My 250 scientist
will refuse to work with Word 2007, just because of that...
Thanks anyway for your answer...
"Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote:
> Hi Jacques,
>
> The MS Office Art graphics engine (aka Escher 2) is new to MS Office 2007 and while fully implemented in Excel and Powerpoint is
> only partially implemented in Word 2007 for backwards compatibility with the MS Office Drawing/Graphics engine (aka Escher) still
> available in Word
>
> MS Office Graphic objects are Escher2,
> MS Office Drawing Objects are the older Escher.
>
> You can use Insert=>Object to embed a PPTX file into the Word document to be able to edit it via Powerpoint.
>
> Shapes from Word 2007 can be pasted into and worked on in Powerpoint 2007
>
> ===========
> <<"Jacques" wrote in message news:BA7F9CAC-0F8F-41A1-B7B8-18065726A93A@microsoft.com...
> I have a lot of PowerPoint 2007 slides, and I frequently need to copy some
> graphics I did into Word 2007. I select the group of shapes or objects I need
> to copy to Word and cpaste them on my Word 2007 Page. Unfortunately, the
> object get pasted as "Microsoft Office Graphic Object" that have a very poor
> quality and cannot longer be edited in Word as a native drowing object. Under
> Paste Special, in the AS: box, the "Microsoft Office Drawing Object" format
> is no longer available. This makes Copy and Paste from PowerPoint 2007 to
> Word 2007 totaly useless if you need quality and "editability". The only way
> is to paste the whole slide as "Microsoft Office PowerPoint Slide Object",
> but this is a very bad workaround, because I ususally need just a part of the
> slide. Under Office 2003, everything was working like a charm!
> The craziest thing is that it works when pasting Word 2007 objects in
> Powerpoint 2007!!! If you create a text box in Word 2007 and copy/paste it in
> Powerpoint 2007, the obect remains a text box in Powerpoint! But in 99% of
> the cases, you need that in the other direction: from PowerPoint to Word. Why
> did Microsoft removed this essential interoperability feature???? Or am I
> missing something??? >>
> --
>
> Bob Buckland ?:-)
> MS Office System Products MVP
>
> *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
>
>
>
date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:22:01 -0700
author: Jacques
Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing
Thanks Bob,
I understand all that, Escher2 is fantastic. But until it's fully supported,
we just cannot use the not-yet-completed Word 2007 for our publications in
our research institute...
Do you have a guess on how long we will have to wait for a patch or an
upgrade?
Again, thanks a lot for your answers...
Jacques
"CyberTaz" wrote:
> I understand how you feel, but the Escher 2 really is a fantastic leap
> forward. Word's at the bottom of the list for full implementation because
> (a) it's a completely different file structure than the others, and (b) word
> processors are - theoretically - the last place graphic work is done:-)
>
> Regards |:>)
> Bob Jones
> [MVP] Office:Mac
>
>
>
> On 6/13/08 1:24 PM, in article
> 5A175BF3-F21F-4CB3-A722-36DB07606F26@microsoft.com, "Jacques"
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Bob... so the only thing I can do is being patient and wait :-( But I
> > still find something like this incredible!
> > Cheers
> >
> > "CyberTaz" wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Jacques -
> >>
> >> On 6/13/08 11:22 AM, in article
> >> E9949E5A-CD70-4036-A549-F70CD0E76681@microsoft.com, "Jacques"
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why does Popowerpont send the shape as "graphic object", and
> >>> not "drawing object" in the clipboard???
> >>
> >> I don't think it's a matter of what PPt *sends* - Copying/cutting to the
> >> clipboard is an OS function over which the source has no control. It's a
> >> matter of what/how the destination program is able to receive the
> >> clipboard's content when pasting takes place.
> >>
> >> As Bob indicated, the new graphics engine isn't as richly implemented in
> >> Word as it is in Excel & PPt - which has historically been the case:-) The
> >> good news (as I understand it) is that the newer engine more readily *can
> >> be* integrated into Word than could the old engine - it just hasn't happened
> >> as yet. I tend to think that Word will "catch up" in a future update or at
> >> least in the next major release.
> >>
> >> Regards |:>)
> >> Bob Jones
> >> [MVP] Office:Mac
> >>
> >>
>
>
date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:36:00 -0700
author: Jacques
Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing
> I don't think it's a matter of what PPt *sends* - Copying/cutting to the
> clipboard is an OS function over which the source has no control. It's a
> matter of what/how the destination program is able to receive the
> clipboard's content when pasting takes place.
That is incorrect. The clipboard itself is provided by the OS. What goes on
it is totally under the control of the sending application, which can choose
what, and how many, formats it wants to send. Any potential destination
application can examine the formats and ignore those it doesn't understand,
and do as it will with those it does understand.
--
Enjoy,
Tony
"CyberTaz" wrote in message
news:C4781905.3D375%onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net...
> Hello Jacques -
>
> On 6/13/08 11:22 AM, in article
> E9949E5A-CD70-4036-A549-F70CD0E76681@microsoft.com, "Jacques"
> wrote:
>
>> Why does Popowerpont send the shape as "graphic object", and
>> not "drawing object" in the clipboard???
>
> I don't think it's a matter of what PPt *sends* - Copying/cutting to the
> clipboard is an OS function over which the source has no control. It's a
> matter of what/how the destination program is able to receive the
> clipboard's content when pasting takes place.
>
> As Bob indicated, the new graphics engine isn't as richly implemented in
> Word as it is in Excel & PPt - which has historically been the case:-) The
> good news (as I understand it) is that the newer engine more readily *can
> be* integrated into Word than could the old engine - it just hasn't
> happened
> as yet. I tend to think that Word will "catch up" in a future update or at
> least in the next major release.
>
> Regards |:>)
> Bob Jones
> [MVP] Office:Mac
>
date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:33:49 +0100
author: Tony Jollans My forename at my surname dot com
Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing
Hi Tony -
You're absolutely right of course, but I wasn't going into the the technical
aspects so much as providing a "figurative" explanation:-)...
On 6/14/08 5:33 AM, in article #M27JHgzIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl, "Tony
Jollans" <My forename at my surname dot com> wrote:
>> I don't think it's a matter of what PPt *sends* - Copying/cutting to the
>> clipboard is an OS function over which the source has no control. It's a
>> matter of what/how the destination program is able to receive the
>> clipboard's content when pasting takes place.
>
> That is incorrect. The clipboard itself is provided by the OS. What goes on
> it is totally under the control of the sending application, which can choose
> what, and how many, formats it wants to send. Any potential destination
> application can examine the formats and ignore those it doesn't understand,
> and do as it will with those it does understand.
>
> --
> Enjoy,
> Tony
My understanding is that the determination is made when the software is
written as what formats will be sent to the clipboard when cut/copy takes
place, so yes it determines what gets sent. What I worded sloppily is that
the *user* seldom has an option _at the time of doing the cut/copy_ to pick
& choose from those formats (although some apps do offer a "copy as"
option). Nor can the user force the placing of more formats than what the
app was written to include.
Regardless of which or how many formats are supplied to the clipboard,
however - just as you point out - it's the target app that makes the final
determination of what to use & how to use it.
The original question was:
> Why does Popowerpont send the shape as "graphic object", and
> not "drawing object" in the clipboard???
So - more simply stated - it's not a matter of what PPt sends, its a matter
of how Word can handle it. That's what I was attempting to emphasize.
Thanks for clarifying!
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:37:50 -0400
author: CyberTaz
Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing
Thanks Tony, that was also my understanding.
Answering to Bob:
We are a research Institute in Microbiology. Our scientists are producing
tons of both PowerPoint presentations and Word publications, both sharing the
same, slightly modified graphics. They were used to copy and paste parts of
their PowerPoint slides in Word, let's say a group of shapes, and then make
small modifications in Word (like ratating, changing fonts, colors, adding
text...). This is no longer possible, because:
- The quality of the pasted shapes is catastrophic
- Once pasted in Word, you can't do anything with those shapes, there are
just bitmaps...
- Linking the whole slide doesn't make it, ususally you need only a small
part of the slide. If you take the whole slide and remove unwanted objects,
you'll end with large white spaces aroud the objects, and you cannot crop the
slide place holder.
- The biggest problem is that my scientists are used to this way of working,
because it was possible for ages in the MS Office world...
I hope you can understand our frustration...
Cheers
Jacques
"Tony Jollans" wrote:
> > I don't think it's a matter of what PPt *sends* - Copying/cutting to the
> > clipboard is an OS function over which the source has no control. It's a
> > matter of what/how the destination program is able to receive the
> > clipboard's content when pasting takes place.
>
> That is incorrect. The clipboard itself is provided by the OS. What goes on
> it is totally under the control of the sending application, which can choose
> what, and how many, formats it wants to send. Any potential destination
> application can examine the formats and ignore those it doesn't understand,
> and do as it will with those it does understand.
>
> --
> Enjoy,
> Tony
>
> "CyberTaz" wrote in message
> news:C4781905.3D375%onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net...
> > Hello Jacques -
> >
> > On 6/13/08 11:22 AM, in article
> > E9949E5A-CD70-4036-A549-F70CD0E76681@microsoft.com, "Jacques"
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Why does Popowerpont send the shape as "graphic object", and
> >> not "drawing object" in the clipboard???
> >
> > I don't think it's a matter of what PPt *sends* - Copying/cutting to the
> > clipboard is an OS function over which the source has no control. It's a
> > matter of what/how the destination program is able to receive the
> > clipboard's content when pasting takes place.
> >
> > As Bob indicated, the new graphics engine isn't as richly implemented in
> > Word as it is in Excel & PPt - which has historically been the case:-) The
> > good news (as I understand it) is that the newer engine more readily *can
> > be* integrated into Word than could the old engine - it just hasn't
> > happened
> > as yet. I tend to think that Word will "catch up" in a future update or at
> > least in the next major release.
> >
> > Regards |:>)
> > Bob Jones
> > [MVP] Office:Mac
> >
>
>
date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:49:01 -0700
author: Jacques
Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing
Bob,
To throw in my similar problem with Jacques. I want to PASTE SPECIAL - LINK
a PowerPoint slide into Word (both 2007) document. However, something with
several boxes and graphics on it, comes in terrible. There all all kinds of
light lines spread out about every 10 - 20 px.
If I Paste Special as an image, it renders just fine. But then I lose the
capability of editing in PPT and then updating in Word.
"How do I want to work today?" --- Easier.
--
Best wishes
Keith Nicholson
"Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote:
> Hi Jacques,
>
> Word 2007 is as finished as it's likely to get :)
>
> Each of the Office 2007 series apps has different strengths and feature sets that it plays to. The Powerpoint (graphics) folks
> basically own the Escher engine and a number of the features are specific to the type of output one might expect in presentations.
>
> Can you explain in what way the separation of features would prevent you from being able to prepare a Word document? From your
> description folks are used to working in Powerpoint to create diagrams, etc and you are still able to create and edit content in
> Excel and Powerpoint and use the new features available in those apps then either link to it from Word or paste the result into Word
> (there are folks who prefer to have that method as they don't want others being able to edit the results they created) or you can
> insert a Powerpoint slide object in Word if there is some compelling reason to be able to edit the same content in two different
> apps. It's not much of a difference than using an outside graphic app for creating graphics that you can use in Word.
>
> Word 2007 also has features that Powerpoint and Excel can not support for direct editing except through object linking, which can
> include inserting a Word object in a Powerpoint slide, for items such as Word 2007 Math\Equation editing in Powerpoint.
>
>
> ==============
> <<"Jacques" wrote in message news:13BE6B78-C36A-4CD9-9A6C-982A36FEF21C@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Bob,
> I understand all that, Escher2 is fantastic. But until it's fully supported,
> we just cannot use the not-yet-completed Word 2007 for our publications in
> our research institute...
> Do you have a guess on how long we will have to wait for a patch or an
> upgrade?
> Again, thanks a lot for your answers...
> Jacques <<
> --
>
> Bob Buckland ?:-)
> MS Office System Products MVP
>
> *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
>
>
>
date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:01:00 -0700
author: Keith Nicholson
Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing
To Bob,
I echo Jaque's opinions on this issue. I am also extremely disappointed to
discover that a such a useful tool has been lost. I have recently spent many
hours trying to find a way to paste edittable graphics from PowerPoint into
Word. Now that I have found this series of posts, I guess I can stop looking.
This was such a frequently used tool by many of us in my company! Now having
to use clumsy work-arounds when it used to be so easy is very frustrating. Is
there any hope that this feature will get any priority towards implementation
in future updates?
Thanks!
"Jacques" wrote:
> Thanks Tony, that was also my understanding.
>
> Answering to Bob:
>
> We are a research Institute in Microbiology. Our scientists are producing
> tons of both PowerPoint presentations and Word publications, both sharing the
> same, slightly modified graphics. They were used to copy and paste parts of
> their PowerPoint slides in Word, let's say a group of shapes, and then make
> small modifications in Word (like ratating, changing fonts, colors, adding
> text...). This is no longer possible, because:
> - The quality of the pasted shapes is catastrophic
> - Once pasted in Word, you can't do anything with those shapes, there are
> just bitmaps...
> - Linking the whole slide doesn't make it, ususally you need only a small
> part of the slide. If you take the whole slide and remove unwanted objects,
> you'll end with large white spaces aroud the objects, and you cannot crop the
> slide place holder.
> - The biggest problem is that my scientists are used to this way of working,
> because it was possible for ages in the MS Office world...
>
> I hope you can understand our frustration...
> Cheers
> Jacques
>
> "Tony Jollans" wrote:
>
> > > I don't think it's a matter of what PPt *sends* - Copying/cutting to the
> > > clipboard is an OS function over which the source has no control. It's a
> > > matter of what/how the destination program is able to receive the
> > > clipboard's content when pasting takes place.
> >
> > That is incorrect. The clipboard itself is provided by the OS. What goes on
> > it is totally under the control of the sending application, which can choose
> > what, and how many, formats it wants to send. Any potential destination
> > application can examine the formats and ignore those it doesn't understand,
> > and do as it will with those it does understand.
> >
> > --
> > Enjoy,
> > Tony
> >
> > "CyberTaz" wrote in message
> > news:C4781905.3D375%onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net...
> > > Hello Jacques -
> > >
> > > On 6/13/08 11:22 AM, in article
> > > E9949E5A-CD70-4036-A549-F70CD0E76681@microsoft.com, "Jacques"
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Why does Popowerpont send the shape as "graphic object", and
> > >> not "drawing object" in the clipboard???
> > >
> > > I don't think it's a matter of what PPt *sends* - Copying/cutting to the
> > > clipboard is an OS function over which the source has no control. It's a
> > > matter of what/how the destination program is able to receive the
> > > clipboard's content when pasting takes place.
> > >
> > > As Bob indicated, the new graphics engine isn't as richly implemented in
> > > Word as it is in Excel & PPt - which has historically been the case:-) The
> > > good news (as I understand it) is that the newer engine more readily *can
> > > be* integrated into Word than could the old engine - it just hasn't
> > > happened
> > > as yet. I tend to think that Word will "catch up" in a future update or at
> > > least in the next major release.
> > >
> > > Regards |:>)
> > > Bob Jones
> > > [MVP] Office:Mac
> > >
> >
> >
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