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date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:14:00 -0700,
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Re: Word 2007 Ribbon custom tab gone when making new buildingblock
Hi Peter,
What location are you storing the .dotM file in when you add the building block?
Does this template appear only in
Insert=>Quick Parts Building Blocks Organizer
or does it also appear when you use
Alt, T, I
to bring up the templates dialog, and if so, where is it listed on that dialog?
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<<"PeterHS" wrote in message news:FF9BDF9F-B6DE-4DAB-82F8-648A1E85BD35@microsoft.com...
L.s,
I have added a custom tab in a dotm file with the "custom UI editor", works
fine.
When I delete a buildingblock from the same dotm file, no problem.
When I add a header buildingblock to the dotm file, save the file en open it
again the added custom tab is gone. When I look in the file with "custom UI
editor" the changes are also gone.
Does anyone have the same problem and a selution? Work arround, every time
copy the costum tab in the file when a buildingblock is added works not realy
fine.
Manny thanks
Peter <<
--
Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP
*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:39:18 -0700
author: Bob Buckland ?:-\) 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com
Re: Word 2007 Ribbon custom tab gone when making new buildingblock
Hi Bob,
Thanks for the respons.
First; I have a dutch version, so I hope I translate the name off the tabs
right.
I stored my template at my desktop. Normaly it's placed in the startup
folder en read only (so it can be used by all users, but to change macro's
and so on I copy it to the desktop). The problem ocures saving and opening
the dotm at the desktop.
To add the buildingblock I open the dotm file (not with file new, but realy
the dotm file). Then I select the part off the document that has to become
the buildingblock (in this case a group with pictures, textboxes and lines
wich is the layout for the company letter). With the group selected I choose
from the ribbon: ïnvoegen (insert second tab) -> tekst (group text) ->
snelonderdelen (quick parts?) -> selectie opslaan in galerie snelonderdelen
(save selection in galery quick parts?) -> Next I choose galery "headers",
the default catergory and the dotm file name to save it in.
It is now possible to use the building block (same menu steps but choose
beheren (manage builingblocks), choose the block en insert).
Now the extra tab in the ribbon still exists, but when I save en exit the
dotm file and reopen it, the new builingblocks are there, but the extra tab
on the ribon is gone.
I'm sorry but I cant test ALT T I, I don't get at the place I have to look.
I think its because I have a Dutch version and I normaly don't use this type
of keybord shortcuts so I don't know how to translate them.
I hope this gives you a clue what i'm doing.
Do you know if builingblocks are saved in XLM and if that could be the
problem, that the change in the XLM part delete the XLM changes made to the
ribbon.
Good luck
Peter
"Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> What location are you storing the .dotM file in when you add the building block?
>
> Does this template appear only in
> Insert=>Quick Parts Building Blocks Organizer
> or does it also appear when you use
> Alt, T, I
> to bring up the templates dialog, and if so, where is it listed on that dialog?
>
> =================
> <<"PeterHS" wrote in message news:FF9BDF9F-B6DE-4DAB-82F8-648A1E85BD35@microsoft.com...
> L.s,
>
> I have added a custom tab in a dotm file with the "custom UI editor", works
> fine.
>
> When I delete a buildingblock from the same dotm file, no problem.
>
> When I add a header buildingblock to the dotm file, save the file en open it
> again the added custom tab is gone. When I look in the file with "custom UI
> editor" the changes are also gone.
>
> Does anyone have the same problem and a selution? Work arround, every time
> copy the costum tab in the file when a buildingblock is added works not realy
> fine.
>
> Manny thanks
>
> Peter <<
> --
>
> Bob Buckland ?:-)
> MS Office System Products MVP
>
> *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
>
>
>
>
date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:14:01 -0700
author: PeterHS
Re: Word 2007 Ribbon custom tab gone when making new buildingblock
Hi Peter,
Yes, something odd is happening with things apparently stepping on each other I opened a template that had a custom ribbon tab on
it. I then followed your steps to add a Header building block to that same template, closed and reopened the template and the
custom tab was still there. Same thing if I closed and restarted Word. The only difference was that I'm using a .dotX rather than
a .dotM template.
Add-ins are disabled in Office Button=>Word Options=>Trust Center.
There are other building blocks in different galleries in my template.
The Ribbon equivalent of Alt, T, I would be
Developer=>Templates=>Document Templates
Check it just before and just after you open your template. The 'document template' box would by default show 'Normal' before and
would be greyed out when you open a template. All 'Global templates and add-ins' are in my testing greyed out (nothing in the
Word Startup folder).
WIthing the Office Open XML that makes up the template
Building blocks saved in a template would usually be under:
Templatename(.dotX/M)\word\glossary\document.xml (and it's sub parts)
('glossary' being what Autotext was called in Word before Microsoft marketing found 'Auto...' and 'Intelli...' to name features for
the English versions <g>)
and each entry would identify the name of one of the galleries for Building Blocks that you had chosen to save the entry in. For a
Header gallery entry that would something like
<w:gallery w:val="hdrs" />
Ribbon customization, whether for template/document specific QAT or tabbed customization, stored in the same template would be in
For QAT
Templatename(.dotX/M)\userCustomization\customUI.xml
From the CustomUI editor
Templatename(.dotX/M)\customUI\customUI.xml
You mentioned grouping together a textbox, lines and a picture. Are they in a drawing canvas or are you in compatibility mode? (
Word 2007 doesn't, by default group inserted objects with shape objects except in compatibility mode).
Are any of the entries carrying specific language ID codes that could cause them to not appear if that language wasn't active in
Word?
You may want to try opening the .dotM file in a tool other than the CustomUI editor. It has a couple of odd behaviors <g>). Even
making a copy, rename the copy as .zip and double clicking it in Windows to see if all of the structure is still there may be
helpful.
Do you have a blog/website/Office Live Workspace or other online area where you can put a copy of the before/after templates and
post a link here?
==============
<<"PeterHS" wrote in message news:760E1932-13E0-4BDB-8510-A67FC4BDC5AA@microsoft.com...
Hi Bob,
Thanks for the respons.
First; I have a dutch version, so I hope I translate the name off the tabs
right.
I stored my template at my desktop. Normaly it's placed in the startup
folder en read only (so it can be used by all users, but to change macro's
and so on I copy it to the desktop). The problem ocures saving and opening
the dotm at the desktop.
To add the buildingblock I open the dotm file (not with file new, but realy
the dotm file). Then I select the part off the document that has to become
the buildingblock (in this case a group with pictures, textboxes and lines
wich is the layout for the company letter). With the group selected I choose
from the ribbon: ïnvoegen (insert second tab) -> tekst (group text) ->
snelonderdelen (quick parts?) -> selectie opslaan in galerie snelonderdelen
(save selection in galery quick parts?) -> Next I choose galery "headers",
the default catergory and the dotm file name to save it in.
It is now possible to use the building block (same menu steps but choose
beheren (manage builingblocks), choose the block en insert).
Now the extra tab in the ribbon still exists, but when I save en exit the
dotm file and reopen it, the new builingblocks are there, but the extra tab
on the ribon is gone.
I'm sorry but I cant test ALT T I, I don't get at the place I have to look.
I think its because I have a Dutch version and I normaly don't use this type
of keybord shortcuts so I don't know how to translate them.
I hope this gives you a clue what i'm doing.
Do you know if builingblocks are saved in XLM and if that could be the
problem, that the change in the XLM part delete the XLM changes made to the
ribbon.
Good luck
Peter >>
--
Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP
*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:59:59 -0700
author: Bob Buckland ?:-\) 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com
Re: Word 2007 Ribbon custom tab gone when making new buildingblock
Hi Bob,
Sorry for my late respons but it's very bussy here short for vacation.
You made things more clear form me, but I think it would be hard (and time
consuming) to find out why it will work with you and gives problems with me.
There are some diference (i'm working terminal server, dutch version, etc.).
> The Ribbon equivalent of Alt, T, I would be
> Developer=>Templates=>Document Templates
> Check it just before and just after you open your template. The 'document template' box would by default show 'Normal' before and
> would be greyed out when you open a template. All 'Global templates and add-ins' are in my testing greyed out (nothing in the
> Word Startup folder).
I add the builingblocks to the .dotm file in wich I'm working so when I go
to "documents templates" ther is nothing (I'm in a template so it is't
connected to a template). The "global templates and add-ins" are empty (when
i'm working on my startup file I place it out of de startup folder, open en
edit it, in the startup folder it's hard to edit because I can't change the
macro's an saving is hard when more users are working).
I heard off "langues codes" but I have never worked whit them so I don't now
if they are giving errors.
I think for now the solution is when I add a buildingblock to copy the
chanches to the UI again. Because we work little with buidingblocks and I'm
the only whan who manage them, that is for now the easy way out.
I like to puzzle it out, but can do this only at the office (2007 not at
home) so I sadly have to be prakticel about this. And I don't have a website,
blog or something like that so I can't place a sample.
You said Custom UI gives problems? are there things a must be aware off. I
use this tool and like how easy it works, but I don't want any trouble. I
found the way to make changes with unzip/zip the file but I think thats more
complicated.
The grouping gave me a bit of a puzle (I don't like that it is'nt possible
anymore).
But when you copy a group from WIN 98 to 2007 it stay's a group also when
2007 is not in competible mode (being conservative I also don't like working
in this mode and rebuild all my templates by coping the text without format
from 98 to 2007). In the future I have to think out a better way because I
like working with groups.
Have a nice day
Peter
"Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Yes, something odd is happening with things apparently stepping on each other I opened a template that had a custom ribbon tab on
> it. I then followed your steps to add a Header building block to that same template, closed and reopened the template and the
> custom tab was still there. Same thing if I closed and restarted Word. The only difference was that I'm using a .dotX rather than
> a .dotM template.
>
> Add-ins are disabled in Office Button=>Word Options=>Trust Center.
>
> There are other building blocks in different galleries in my template.
>
>
> The Ribbon equivalent of Alt, T, I would be
> Developer=>Templates=>Document Templates
> Check it just before and just after you open your template. The 'document template' box would by default show 'Normal' before and
> would be greyed out when you open a template. All 'Global templates and add-ins' are in my testing greyed out (nothing in the
> Word Startup folder).
>
> WIthing the Office Open XML that makes up the template
>
> Building blocks saved in a template would usually be under:
> Templatename(.dotX/M)\word\glossary\document.xml (and it's sub parts)
>
> ('glossary' being what Autotext was called in Word before Microsoft marketing found 'Auto...' and 'Intelli...' to name features for
> the English versions <g>)
>
> and each entry would identify the name of one of the galleries for Building Blocks that you had chosen to save the entry in. For a
> Header gallery entry that would something like
> <w:gallery w:val="hdrs" />
>
> Ribbon customization, whether for template/document specific QAT or tabbed customization, stored in the same template would be in
> For QAT
> Templatename(.dotX/M)\userCustomization\customUI.xml
> From the CustomUI editor
> Templatename(.dotX/M)\customUI\customUI.xml
>
> You mentioned grouping together a textbox, lines and a picture. Are they in a drawing canvas or are you in compatibility mode? (
> Word 2007 doesn't, by default group inserted objects with shape objects except in compatibility mode).
>
> Are any of the entries carrying specific language ID codes that could cause them to not appear if that language wasn't active in
> Word?
>
> You may want to try opening the .dotM file in a tool other than the CustomUI editor. It has a couple of odd behaviors <g>). Even
> making a copy, rename the copy as .zip and double clicking it in Windows to see if all of the structure is still there may be
> helpful.
>
> Do you have a blog/website/Office Live Workspace or other online area where you can put a copy of the before/after templates and
> post a link here?
>
> ==============
> <<"PeterHS" wrote in message news:760E1932-13E0-4BDB-8510-A67FC4BDC5AA@microsoft.com...
> Hi Bob,
>
> Thanks for the respons.
>
> First; I have a dutch version, so I hope I translate the name off the tabs
> right.
>
> I stored my template at my desktop. Normaly it's placed in the startup
> folder en read only (so it can be used by all users, but to change macro's
> and so on I copy it to the desktop). The problem ocures saving and opening
> the dotm at the desktop.
>
> To add the buildingblock I open the dotm file (not with file new, but realy
> the dotm file). Then I select the part off the document that has to become
> the buildingblock (in this case a group with pictures, textboxes and lines
> wich is the layout for the company letter). With the group selected I choose
> from the ribbon: ïnvoegen (insert second tab) -> tekst (group text) ->
> snelonderdelen (quick parts?) -> selectie opslaan in galerie snelonderdelen
> (save selection in galery quick parts?) -> Next I choose galery "headers",
> the default catergory and the dotm file name to save it in.
>
> It is now possible to use the building block (same menu steps but choose
> beheren (manage builingblocks), choose the block en insert).
>
> Now the extra tab in the ribbon still exists, but when I save en exit the
> dotm file and reopen it, the new builingblocks are there, but the extra tab
> on the ribon is gone.
>
> I'm sorry but I cant test ALT T I, I don't get at the place I have to look.
> I think its because I have a Dutch version and I normaly don't use this type
> of keybord shortcuts so I don't know how to translate them.
>
> I hope this gives you a clue what i'm doing.
>
> Do you know if builingblocks are saved in XLM and if that could be the
> problem, that the change in the XLM part delete the XLM changes made to the
> ribbon.
>
> Good luck
>
> Peter >>
> --
>
> Bob Buckland ?:-)
> MS Office System Products MVP
>
> *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
>
>
>
date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:49:01 -0700
author: PeterHS
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